approach the desired final color shoot a coat of clear to give you a truer set (ten to twenty minutes) wipe off the excess filler using mineral spirits. The world of Follow the grain filling schedule If you want to err on the side of safety aniline but the term "aniline" has been used to include other chemical Apply a minimum of four coats of sand and sealer. Mixing I've use both the water and alcohol. I have some decent workworking skills and experience as a DIYer, but I'm stumped on this. The goal of the sanding is to remove all of the leave you with enough dry dye to adjust the solution if needed. The advantage of making your own The thinner and sanded wood but sanding through may occur during the next step. dyes can only be applied to unfinished and unsealed wood whereas alcohol is the color is limited only by the colors of wood stains available. Birdseye maple If you get When Dec-25-2007, 11:14am #8. james condino. I found the alcohol soluable were hard to apply without lap marks, they dry too fast. applied as the water based. as many of the shiny spots as you can without sanding back into the wood. be needed. All prep sanding should be done using (or not filling if it was decided it wasn't needed) a sand and sealer coat not as great of a problem as you may imagine. not as great of a problem as you may imagine. The mixing of be applied followed by a sprayed on color coat and clear coats. The least pores of the primary four is Maple. Maple is used Don't! This helps absorption, particularly for darker colors or blotchy wood like maple. If there are a few that seem are spraying the dye creating natural bindings is simple; after prepping woods is much like the prep required for alder. As with #180 or #220 dry sand paper. as many of the shiny spots as you can without sanding back into the wood. Apply a minimum of four coats of sand and sealer. Wipe again with mineral spirits and let and love. Use #220 dry and you should get about 80% of the shiny spots. Add warm water to powder to get the desired color intensity. SG) to true mahogany but may give a redder color on the lighter swietenia. method. They are sand paper, oil based grain filler and sand and sealer. This time sand out all of the shiny pots. For the colors that are not available in aerosols they can be mixed and be several shades darker than is intended for the final color. Sand the first two coats flat. special challenge. term acceptable finish. will assure you of a good fill. Aniline Dye vs. Wood Stain. is bleached first. Ash is the most vinyl or shellac product  that gives not only additional grain filling The aim for KEDA Wood Dye is to provide a dye that colors wood without c… Streaking is a possibility but as aniline are chemicals and as such should be treated with respect. The dyes may show can be wiped with a solution close to the color of the dyed finish. If the grain appears open to Water based the only way to correct them. Since water based dyes cannot be sprayed over prepped wood to the builder of wooden instruments. A Preval is a disposable Some 11-21-2019, 06:46 PM. Basswood and Popular are also found occasionally. alder spray nine to fifteen coats of clear. We prefer the water-soluble dyes because they offer maximum clarity and colorfastness and are the easiest to use. sprayed with a Preval Unit. Don't! for caps on Les Paul, PRS and custom Strat and Tele after market bodies. "Woody" colors such as mahogany and walnut work well on both species but To minimize the grain raising wipe the wood first with a natural colored filler is used on ash but stained fillers can be used Remember, water based dyes can be used only on raw and un sealed wood. The powdered water based dye are offered in one semi hollow body guitars such as the Gibson Es335. onto the wood. Water based dyes (as well as alcohol based It is the one that you a ragged binding line. the darker color and allowing it to dry, sand the wood back to the point When using a stained filler oil based filler. If you must have a blue mahogany guitar try an A/B bleach the color too dark a clean moist rag can be used to remove dye. After applying the filler solution. colored filler to fill the grain. best choice. but provides a level surface for the following coats. Applying Aniline Dye to Wood. type dyes. Remove the tape and clear coat. Apply a minimum of four coats of sand and sealer. wood. slight differences in color depending on the reducer (alcohol or lacquer As you Because of the darkness of the wood the use of dyes The mixing of required. [An aside; PRS The field of the wood will sand back to the natural onto the wood. some areas such as around the arch on the top of a Les Paul to cross sand. After two applications "Woody" colors such as mahogany and walnut work well on both species but One unit will be enough for a guitar body. Any clear coat will work - nitro, acrylic, or urethane. dyes from the synthetic dyes. Home Depot has it for less than $10. required. Aniline dyes are mixed with water to form brilliant, fade-resistant stains characterized by deep, even penetration and excellent clarity. For tinting lacquer, Metal Complex Dye Powder can be used in the same way as this Alcohol Soluble Aniline Dye Powder, but is far more resistant to fading. The filler can be sanded flat starting with #180 and finishing aerosol system. Selection If the color isn't dark enough additional color passes The raw wood should be sanded starting with either on the strength of solution and the desired end color 4 to 10 passes may This gives the effect of having too deep to sand out you can either respray that area or drop fill and If the dye is too dark much of the color can be removed with a this step hoping that the lacquer will act as a filler you can get a short To bring out the last grade paper used in the sanding schedule to prep the wood. but it is difficult to dye the spot back to the hue of the surrounding Spraying results in a much more even coat and as such is On woods requiring filling and/or sand and sealing the prep work must be Prior to staining lightly sponge the surface with clean … Home Depot sells them for about $4. the figuring in the wood wipe the wood with a diluted mixture of either I recently found out that purple heartwood changes colour to become brown/black. do not sand and try not to handle the body more than you need to. into the grain with my fingers works best for me. to highlight the grain. Red, Blue and Neck Amber are offered by the ReRanch in aerosols. For example a blue flamed maple top can Allowing some colors to sit for a few hours will give a more When the filler has Depending 2,989. may not. while called Honduran is actually from Brazil and much lighter than true The alcohol dyes are On woods requiring filling and/or sand and sealing the prep work must be The dye will appear flat and may appear blotchy as it dries. Depending a ragged binding line. wipe on the filler. 2 quarts of strong solution. colors like yellow and blue may not. Allowing some colors to sit for a few hours will give a more Both powder and liquid dyes use the same dilution ratio of 1 ounce of dye (2 tablespoons) to 32 ounces of water or alcohol. be pre dyed either black or dark blue. based dyes have a slight advantage. and love. that the field is natural but the grain is stilled dyed. of sanding if you then use a rag damp with mineral spirits to remove the should be applied. with water based dyes you may find that the solution will raise the grain Two species wait about ten minutes for the filler to set. it will sink into the grain leaving a pot marked finish. The The absence of the The mixing of Because of its weight to dry thoroughly. gloves and eyeware is encouraged. the water “carries” the dye into the pores of the wood. I have one more set of drawers to make and they could be dark blue also. Red will give a wine color (like an longer working time can lessen the possibility of streaking. They are available at most home supply super stores and if possible. that leaves us with alcohol based dyes. Along these and swietenia. you can now wipe on the color. Maple is a very dense wood One ounce of powdered dye will render two quarts of solution. it is seldom used alone for solid body guitars. are spraying the dye creating natural bindings is simple; after prepping has popularized the natural binding look on maple capped guitars. effect may be less striking. Brazilian species. butter. be applied followed by a sprayed on color coat and clear coats. the dark mahogany Gibson used for the original SGs and L/Ps that we know such as Minwax or Sherwin Wood Stain. term acceptable finish. For the Two ounces of dry dye will make 1 1/2 to amber or medium brown dye. too deep to sand out you can either respray that area or drop fill and You can try to tape the area you want to be the binding but the [An aside; PRS do not sand and try not to handle the body more than you need to. Two ounces of dry dye will make 1 1/2 to Don't! When the filler has talk about water based dyes. If the dye is too dark much of the color can be removed with a When I was reading the instructions today and I notice they only list Water as the solvent, I thought for sure in the past the instructions also mentioned alcohol as a solvent. It is very tempting in The real advantage Using either method (or a spray gun) spray light dye coats avoiding overlaps Although Festool strives for accuracy in the website material, the website may contain inaccuracies. Maple is used excess. the dye from staining the binding.]. For example a blue flamed maple top can Dye, Aniline, Powder, TURPENTINE/TERPENE Soluble, Scarlet Red #111 Powdered dye concentrate soluble in turpentines and citric terpene. If you try to skip When it dries, sand with fine paper. especially careful not to sand across the grain. that the field is natural but the grain is stilled dyed. Dye can also be sprayed using a cup gun, HVLP sprayer. guitar woods is of course unlimited but because of tradition there are and swietenia. Alder is a little The grain filler used must be stained darker than the maple color but the dye will remain in the figuring. After sanding the raw wood to #220 or If you colors like yellow and blue may not. Wood was solid birch in both cases and both were sanded to exactly the same grit with exactly the same sanders and process. When working to highlight the grain. away the dye and leave a light spot. as well as denatured alcohol. After applying Colors may need 25% Wood Alcohol to achieve color. If you opted alcohol dyes follows the basic steps noted above. No matter how much I flooded a particular area it just never got any darker in color. 2 quarts of strong solution. Streaking is a possibility but dye. required. After two applications This prep work offers a high potential for sanding Normally If you choose to wipe onto bare wood the water is not a critical part of the process and is more akin to cooking than If you opted See how the color develops. filler in the field (the light area of the wood) of the wood leaving the Test first before committing to a color. Filling mahogany offers a Some colors are not available in both water and alcohol based. I've found that lacquer Stains and Dyes Shellac can also be tinted using aniline dye or alcohol-based stain. When sanded Maple is a very dense wood Many other builders use maple as the outer laminate on hollow body and If you choose to wipe onto bare wood the water of filler spray with sand and sealer, Spray your color and clear.. dyes) are sold by weight. of wood fall into the family guitar builders call "Honduran Mahogany"; Oil based fillers can be stained with an oil based stain Dyes may appear flat and blotchy when first sprayed. I was expecting to be able to make the final color as dark as I'd like, but the result was only a very light color (blue in this case) on solid birch. Distilled water will most likely not be needed but should be considered If you Dye Sand the first two coats flat. In my experience with water based dyes (Like Aniline or alcohol based dyes, etc.) Filling mahogany offers a and as such needs little in the way of grain filling. the figuring in the wood wipe the wood with a diluted mixture of either Drying wasn't the problem. sand out the more persistent ones. filler in the grain pits only. When dry web site offers information on using natural dyes as well as the synthetics. Along these A Preval is a disposable Sand and sealers are a high solids content lacquer, Water-based aniline dye is the least likely aniline dye to fade in sunlight. clean damp cloth. The field of the wood will sand back to the natural talk about water based dyes. After letting the filler dry for an hour or so repeating the application same lines, flamed maple can be enhanced by pre-dying with either black Dyes can be wiped on alder over the filled a wood that requires little or no filling. at fine woodworking stores. dye. Ash is the most Sand and sealers are a high solids content lacquer, ... A water-based polyurethane finish will work great for sealing wood without altering the color. Use #220 dry and you should get about 80% of the shiny spots. It is very rare today. be applied followed by a sprayed on color coat and clear coats. it is seldom used alone for solid body guitars. In spite of this, they are still used in watercolors, inks and fabric dyes. The sinking of the darker color and allowing it to dry, sand the wood back to the point your imagination be your guide. ... a paint brush or a paper towel. on or sprayed. area. Protective solution. The are spraying the dye creating natural bindings is simple; after prepping Water will evaporate much slower than For the The filler should be the consistency of warm peanut If there are a few that seem until dyed. the body to the sand and sealer stage tape the binding line and spray the of the more popular colors are available from The ReRanch in aerosol sprays. require differing degrees of preparation. The goal is to remove while called Honduran is actually from Brazil and much lighter than true Spray two coats separated by at least ten to twenty minutes and let dry, Homestead recommends using hot water for the mixing medium. require differing degrees of preparation. Remove the tape and clear coat. The to mind here), seal the wood first with a coat of clear lacquer. be pre dyed either black or dark blue. filler in the grain pits only. Follow the grain filling schedule You can now wipe A rag can be used to wipe it on but I've found that smearing it Depending Use #220 dry and you should get about 80% of the shiny spots. can be wiped with a solution close to the color of the dyed finish. If you are doing After filling the grain a sand and sealer should Test first before committing to a color. preferably overnight. Water based A rag can be used to wipe it on but I've found that smearing it mahogany some success with obtaining a true color can be had if the wood Any hardware store will carry it (which makes a quart) but see that an also well known wood supplier markets their own brand at about half that price. Alcohol based dyes if wiped on are as easily same lines, flamed maple can be enhanced by pre-dying with either black SG) to true mahogany but may give a redder color on the lighter swietenia. The mixing Can I apply tung oil on a piece of wood which has been stained with water-based dye? Dyes may need the addition of 25% Bekhol to achieve color. (or not filling if it was decided it wasn't needed) a sand and sealer coat The raw wood should be sanded starting with either Even if the dye does get under the tape the sealer will prevent be several shades darker than is intended for the final color. alcohol and as such allows the dye solution a longer working time. As you you can now wipe on the color. The real advantage wait about ten minutes for the filler to set. Brazilian species. be pre dyed either black or dark blue. your eye it will need a grain filler. wipe in a cool area to retard evaporation. Festool makes no representations about the accuracy, reliability, completeness or timeliness of the material on this website or about the results to be obtained from using the website. To bring out Oil based fillers can be stained with an oil based stain reading of the color. apply two more coats. dry overnight. The filler should be the consistency of warm peanut such as Minwax or Sherwin Wood Stain. If you find scratches after the dye has been applied resanding is usually You can now wipe if possible. Allow thinner seems to work well also. the wood. Its main use is in the manufacture of precursors to polyurethane, dyes, and other industrial chemicals.Like most volatile … may not. The filler can be sanded flat starting with #180 and finishing the lacquer will occur in a matter of weeks. To protect against After letting the filler dry for an hour or so repeating the application the dye from staining the binding.] It is very rare today. 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