Discussion Starter • #1 • Mar 3, 2007. Messages: 4,293 Likes Received: 1 While .300 Savage brass is much more difficult to come by, all of the components used in the .308 Winchester may be used in the .300 Savage. The .300 Savage is a bit more powerful, although not noticeably so. Both the .300 Win. The .300 Savage is very similar to the .308 Winchester. The bullet diameter is .308 inches or 7.8mm, and the case length is 2.015 inches or 51.18mm. CMR. Based on pure number produced, the .300 Savage is most likely a 99EG, and the .308 is most likely a 99F. Let us begin by understanding the two cartridges historically. At the time, after WWI, the .30-06 gave 2800 fps. 300 Savage vs 308 Marlin Express 04-10-2016, 07:42 PM. Let’s look at a few categories of comparison, then we’ll sum things up. The 300AAC Blackout is based on the .223 Remington case so it works perfectly in the AR15. The 7.62x51mm NATO round is slightly different, but each round can fire in a rifle chambered for the other. What is the better all around caliber. Discussion Starter • #1 • Jan 9, 2010. The 300 Savage is best with 150 jacketed bullets stepping along in a scope sighted rifle. The Alaskan variety is a different matter though! A .308 would be the bare minimum in my book and I wouldn't advise one of those either. I think they open up better at those short northern MN deer woods shots. Gun writers have spilled a lot of ink comparing the accuracy of the 308 vs 30-06 vs 300 Win Mag. 308 vs 30-06 vs 300 Win Mag: Which One Should You Be Hunting With? You'll be hard pressed to get 47gns of RL17 in the case! Everything i read about the Stevens 200 is positive, and is a great starting point for a bolt rifle. Rich [The 150s are good for deer, but the 180 gives you a bit more weight to punch through with]. The 300 Savage and the 308 Win both have the same bullet diameter so you will not have a problem there. The .250-3000 also serves as the parent case for the .300 Savage, as well as that darling of the varmint community, the .22-250 Remington. Of your choices, RL15 is the most likely based on my experience. I’ll be primarily writing this article in mind of new hunters looking at rifles chambered in … So, handloading is the way to go. 75 Posts . 4320 was only fair. What you may not know is the .300 Savage was used as … The .300 has a 30 degree shoulder angle, the .308 a 20 degree shoulder angle. with a 150-gr. It was originally developed to give .30-06 velocities in the short-action lever Model 99 and succeded. Mostly because I don’t feel qualified to do so. However, my opinion is that if you are planning on shooting subsonic large caliber bullets, you are much better off buying a dedicated 300BLK platform. The two have more similarities than differences. While picking the most accurate cartridge of the three is a somewhat contentious subject, most people agree that all three cartridges are capable of excellent accuracy. I have a Rem 760 in 300 Savage and shoot the Federal 180 bullets. 300 savage is an amazing cartridge. With a case length of 1.912 inches and an overall length of 2.515 inches, it worked very well in the quick-handling Model 99, and on deer and similar-sized game, it worked perfectly. I recently picked up a 300 savage and wonder if round nose 180's will be as effective in this rifle. The 308 Winchester was birthed by the 30-06 back in 1952. and the .308 Win. In the past it was offered not only in the M99 Savage lever action, but also in pump and bolt action rifles from Remington, Savage and Winchester. The .300 Savage in 81 Remington is the most powerful gun I can fire, because the rifle is really heavy, and most of the recoil is absorbed by the automatic action, and the .300 Savage is less powerful than a .30-06 or .308. Unlike my 308 vs 30-06 article, this one is NOT splitting hairs. If it is possible to attain a muzzle velocity of 2740 fps from a .300 Savage cartridge without excessive case-neck stretching or other pressure signs, then the 1920's era .300 Savage cartridge will closely rival of the much more modern .308 Winchester. I feel it is more effective on eg a large moose, when you may not have an opportunity to get perfect shot placement. .308 is more powerful and significantly easier to buy. "the only difference is that the 300 savage has a shorter neck" There are other differences, as well. As far as I'm concerned a .300 Savage just isn't in the ball park for either moose or elk. My 300 savage, built on a Mauser, loved 3031. Huntsman27, Feb 13, 2005. ... .308 Savage 10FP / NF 5.5-22x50mm MLR.308 Savage BA / … Even today it is the most popular .30 caliber rifle cartridge IN THE WORLD. Superior to the 308 in my eyes for pure accuracy. The .270 Winchester has a significantly longer case length (2.54″ vs 2.015″) as well as overall length (3.34″ vs 2.81 ContentsWhich is Best for You? I have a Savage 99 C (“clip”) in .308 so it’s just a tad more powerful than the 300 Savage. First of all, the two cartridges share a lot of history. 7.62 NATO vs .308 Winchester – History. The .300 Savage has fallen on hard times, largely replaced in the short action firearms it helped popularize by its offspring, the .308 Win. The caliber is, of course, .308. ), and found a deal on a Stevens 200 for $300. I have three .308's and am thinking about a 300 … The .308 Winchester has a longer neck and is more powerful than the .300 Savage. The .308 is a significantly larger cartridge suitable for engagement at longer ranges. 300 Whisper can be fired in a 300 Blackout - but - you can't fire a Blackout in a Whisper. The .300 Win Mag is in another league altogether. The 300 savage is a ideal Military round and should have been the round of WWII and Korea,the 308[I have both the 308 and the old 300 in 99's] is just a hair better ,the recoil is about that of a 270 all 300 Savages are excellent up to elk,the 150,170 and the 180 grs are easy to load up and the action unlike Winnies will take it. The .308 Winchester is now more popular, but since the capacity of the .300 Savage case is only about four percent smaller, it can be safely handloaded to about the same velocities for rifles such as the Remington Model 722, the Pre-'64 Winchester Model 70, the Remington Model 760, and the Savage … 300 H&H, 300 Win Mag and 300 Weatherby - are also not interchangeable with 300 Whisper or 300 Blackout. The .308 is the commercial version of the 7.62x51 round developed for the U.S. military in the early 1950s to replace the venerable .30-06. This showdown, 30 06 vs. 308, will be hard to call! I don't think rocky mountain elk are any easier to knock down than Shiras or Western moose subspecies. 300BLK Subs VS 308 Subs – Observations And Opinions. So there is nothing wrong there. Please note, the following information reflects the estimated average ballistics for each caliber and does not pertain to a particular manufacturer, bullet weight, o Huntsman27, Feb 13, 2005. We examine the history of these cartridges and compare them side-by-side in several categories that are important to hunters and sport shooters. The .308 has a nominal maximum neck diameter of .343, the .300 .399. The PSP shoots flatter and retains its enegry better than a RN slug does. The 300 Savage is the daddy of the .308 Winchester. The following ammunition cartridge ballistics information and chart can be used to approximately compare .30-30 Winchester vs .308 Winchester ammo rounds. All else equal, a pre-60 .308 is more valuable than a .300 Savage (just because of the sheer numbers of Savages produced in .300 Savage vs. .308 in the 50s). 30 Cal .308 150 gr SST® (300 Savage) Item #30303 | 100/Box US Patent: 8,161,885 | 8,413,587. $300 It was THE deer cartridge for the lever action Savage 99. 300 Blackout vs 308 The difference in size between .308 Winchester and 300 AAC Blackout is apparent. As you can see in the photo below, the .270 Winchester and .308 Winchester cartridges have very different external dimensions. Savage guys, I started out deer hunting shooting 180 grain round nose 308's and they are absolute slayers compared to my 3006 and 7mm08. 22 Posts . The main difference is that the .308 may be filled with a higher pressure powder charge than the NATO version. I've got my eye on a Weaver scope on sale at sportsmansguide.com (opinions? Feb 14, 2005 #3 . The 300 Savage is a time tested "deer rifle" that stretches out the effective range vis-a-vi the 30-30. I refuse to draw any conclusions regarding the 300BLK subsonic versus .308 subsonic debate. bullet and the .300 duplicated that. 308 is more than enough for deer--I much prefer my 99 in sav 300, but for bigger game in the bush-where shots are short and might even be closer than you want, I like the 358. The 99R and 99RS are also models that fit this time period. 300 Savage vs 308 Marlin Express Tags: None. Mag. The soldier could carry more ammunition, and the field results were so close that the Army felt it worth the time. 30-06 vs 308 vs 300 Win Mag Accuracy. The case has a very short neck and if cast bullets is your goal, it is not the best choice. I am a very small man with a caved in chest due to pectus excavatum. I know folks that hunt elk with 99s in 300 Savage. are great chamberings for a hunting rifle. Experimentation began with the .300 Savage cartridge, but the final incarnation was the 7.62x51mm NATO, released to the sporting public in 1952 (two years prior to military adoption) as the .308 Winchester. Generally - you always, always, always need to buy what is stamped on the barrel of your rifle. There is a great deal of difference between the 300 Winchester Magnum, affectionately known as the “300 Win Mag”, and the 308 Winchester. Savage -vs- Remington .308 Bolt-Actions. The 300 Win Mag vs. 308 Cartridge.What is the History of the 300 Winchester Magnum vs. 308 Winchester?300 Winchester Magnum308 WinchesterTechnical details of the 308 vs. 300 Win Mag comparisonWhich has more “kick” or Recoil?What does the Ballistic Coefficient Tell Us?Velocity is a Major Telling Point.The Trajectory or Which Drops […] 270 vs 308: Cartridge Sizes. 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